Now, the third principle, you guess, that he emphasizes is unity. Unity prevails over conflict. Unity matters more than everything else. That is particularly important for him, for the Church, in the sense that definitely Pope Francis does not want to divide the Church. He is not the one creating motives for divisions, but essentially people who disagree with his perspective, and then generate a polarization of the Church. But this is true also for society and for the economy. That is, we have to do things together. And this is especially important today due to the huge challenge raised by the climate crisis.
My experience from what I see is that some members of the elite, the social and economic elite, are de-solidarizing themselves from the rest of the crowd. And they just dream of a world where they would live some ghettos protected from everything else, and where they would have privileged access to energy and substance, while the poor would just be starving. So, this is not a way to say that unity is a pretext for everything. So, the poor reminds us that we need to think together, or that we are not doing that actually. We are all in the same boat. Unity matters.
And the fourth one: Realities are more important than ideas. This is to say that there is a need for a kind of realism.
Let me give you an example. There are still a number of people on this planet, economists, who believe that it is possible to have green growth, and to make profits, while addressing the climate change issues, thus, satisfying everybody.
This is just completely unrealistic, all the simulations that we run at the Environmental Justice Program tend to show that business is usually a scenario that leads to a global collapse. So, what is unrealistic, what is completely ideological is to believe that the modern productivism and extractivism that we inherited from the Industrial Revolution could still continue its way the coming decades. This would just not be the case. Therefore, realism and reality matter more than ideas.
Our last question: How to coordinate the line of action together as young people to build up The Economy of Francesco?
Georgetown University wants to offer to you and to all the youngsters who are enthusiastic to work within the paradigm of The Economy of Francisco, a website where you could write what The Economy of Francesco means for you. I know that there is a good number of people ready to say something about The Economy of Francesco. But it is not true because we do not know what it actually is. You, young people, you have to invent The Economy of Francesco. When the Pope shared this inspiration more than two years ago, regarding what we now call The Economy of Francesco, he affirmed that the current economy is killing the planet, and that we needed to reinvent the economy. And that is your mission, and I invite you to accomplish it. But the Pope does not know what it is. Even the book itself does not say anything. Even God himself does not know. You have to invent it. That is why my suggestion is to have a website hosted by Georgetown University because it is serious economics, it is not typical economics as a number of economists would claim it is. And starting the website from scrap, you would write yourself what it means for you with your own experiences.
In the village of agriculture and justice, as I remember, there is an organic farm in Brazil which is working. You could provide some feedback on the experience of this farm on this website. And I know there are other experiments that are implemented in Sub-Saharan Africa. We could also have feedback for participants on this website. Step by step, this would provide us with a bigger picture. And what Georgetown University could do is provide coordination. We could help organize the meetings: maybe a meeting in Latin America, another in Africa, the third one in Southeast Asia, and all this in one year and a half or two years. Once this is done and we more or less have the wide picture, then we could organize a great event and talk to the Pope as we are going to do on 24th September. My suggestion is that in one year or two, we may talk to the Pope. Now, you called us to tell you what the Economy of Francesco is. Well, that is our answer. That is the way I would understand the coordination, otherwise, there is a small risk that you are so creative that everybody has an objective in a different direction, without providing a unified picture. And if we want to have a consistent, systematic, unified picture, we need a little bit of coordination. That is the way I would try to promote coordination.
Thank you very much Gaël, and to close this interview, we would like to ask you to offer some final words to the youth preparing to be in Assisi for The Economy of Francesco.
Well, I shall meet with you over there, I shall join you! I am incredibly happy about that. This is especially important, and we should not be impressed by neoliberal economists who claim that what we try to do is not serious. The work I am doing at Georgetown University is much more serious than anything that these new liberal economists have done so far. And I am sure the kind of creativity and imagination that you have is much more significant. Actually, you are the future of the planet, and you are the future of the economy of this planet. We truly need you in order to have a new understanding of economics. Otherwise, the tradition in classic and neoclassic economics will just lead us to the collapse which is already unfolding in terms of fighting. You know that there is water rationing today in the south of Italy. And we know that if we do not do anything, there will be a lack of access to drinkable water in Italy by 2040. Italy in 20 years may be in the situation of some parts of India today. Poor people in the centre of India does not have any access to water.
Therefore, if you want to avoid that, and if you want to foster a new and prosperous economy where everybody is happy, we need you to engage in reinventing it.
See you in Assisi, Ciao!